XBLA games are only 30-60 megs anyway =P

I've got like 9 gig free on mine. I've got a few demos and game, but I don't see much on XBLA that I think is worth paying for or downloading.

..which people have got around anyhow..

It's all done for security reasons..

So Dave is saying that one of the bonus features of the Elite isn't even a bonus anymore, but standard?

And as for the "pre-loaded" goodies, I don't want them. I want a blank hard drive that I can put my own junk on. I don't want to pay for "goodies" that are "free" with the purchase of an Elite.

And just because it's "custom sized" doesn't mean jack. MS could have saved everyone trouble by using standard ATA or SATA drives. But no, they had to be dicks and use propriety to drive up prices and keep margins for themselves. Because heaven forbid anybody should make it easier on the consumer.

I'd use more than 20gb if I had the 120gb HDD. I tend to download a lot of demos and I have to delete them to make room for more.

I've only got the standard hard drive, and never have space issues. The only reason you'd need the larger space is if you had the Video Marketplace. Of course, doesn't look like we're ever going to get that due to our backward broadband. Bloody backwater we are!

How is the hard drive worth $20? It comes pre-installed with lots of behind the scenes goodies that keep it safe on the interwebz, and it's also custom sized. The actual memory on the hard drive is worth $20 in laymans terms, but when you put the whole accessory together, it's worth more. The Elite is also Black    and regular Pro consoles come with HDMI nowadays.

Awesome. The Elite is still a waste of goddamn money though. An extra $150 for a harddrive worth $20 and HDMI output? No bloody thanks.